In Conversation with No Such Thing
Today we are talking with No Such Thing, an artist led record label founded and managed by Dirty Freud and Ruby Tingle. These two fantastic creatives started off collaborating on their own work, and decided to move into supporting the work of others, using their experiences and understanding to create a safe and blossoming space for creatives to thrive.
Full Episode Transcript
Hello and welcome to the Comics Youth x Where are the Girlbands Safe Spaces podcast, a space for discussions with organisations and individuals who are creating safe spaces within the North West, with a focus on Merseyside.
At Where are the Girlbands something we have found is that creatives of all different disciplines from visual artists to musicians to poets seem to overlap. The more that we lean into cross-disciplinary projects, the more exciting collaborations seem to blossom! Today we are going to be chatting to a record label who are doing exactly this, embracing all of the artforms to allow creatives to develop and grow through collaboration and community.
No Such Thing are an artist led record label, founded and managed by Dirty Freud and Ruby Tingle. These two fantastic creatives started off collaborating on their own work, and decided to move into supporting the work of others, using their experiences and understanding to create a safe and blossoming space for creatives to thrive.
No Such Thing are dedicated to championing diversity, spotlighting artists from underrepresented groups within the North of the UK. Under No Such Thing the artists they work with have the freedom to try new things, to meet other artists and feel empowered to have creative control over all they create
Ella:
I’m so excited to be chatting with you both today! How are you doing?
Danni and Ruby:
Yeah great! Yeah we’re all good! Excited to be chatting to be honest! Yeah!
Ella:
Amazing! We always like to start our interviews off with a bit of an origin story so I think something that’s really unique about you guys is that you’re artist led, as a label, so it would be really interesting to hear about why you decided to make the leap from practitioners and creatives to facilitating other people through No Such Thing?
Ruby:
Wow (laughter) It’s a long, it’s a LONG story! I mean me and Danni go back a long time, obviously we’ve been making music together as Dirty Freud and collaborating for about 12 years and we always talked about running a label it was always kind of pub talk, and then the pandemic kind of gave us the space to like put it into action really as well. And I think some of the reasoning that we probably didn’t originally have back in the day but sort of became apparent to us was working with labels ourselves during that time we started to think about how we were treated as artists and how we could give back to people and yeah we suddenly started having more of these creative ideas about what we could do with something like that.
Danni:
100% like as we were saying we’ve known each other for a very long time, and yeah like we have always talked about creating something together which was like a hub, a creative hub for artists who don’t really get those types of opportunities which usually would be afforded to someone who was maybe more commercial or more viable commercially. So erm, so yeah, being able to really be that, be that kind of like lighthouse if you will to do these kinds of things is incredible. And we’re just at the start so I’m looking forward for more!
Ella:
Yeah I think something that you do really well or that’s really inspiring about what you do is that you’re really focussed on giving artists space to create the things that they want to create. I think a lot of issues people have with labels is they can be quite prescriptive, like you were saying trying to get you to streamline yourself, to be more commercial, maybe there’s focus on things like sales or more commercial obligations as oppose to actually like nourishment and creative development and forming collaborative relationships with other artists too. And I’d love to hear a bit more about that from you too, some of the ways that you try and give artists freedom while also operating as a label.
Ruby:
Yeah. Yeah totally, I think that ethos kind of again comes from our, our own backgrounds because we’ve not necessarily made commercial music, especially me I’ve always worked a bit more experimentally and things but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have a commercial spotlight. So yeah, going on to the previous question as sort of a follow on from that I think that was another reason why we sort of wanted to set it up. But in terms of our own artists we’ve always said from the start that we’re non-genre specific, so that is always setting everything up quite openly and wide for everyone. We don’t really think about the kind of music people are making when we bring them onto the label, it’s more about the quality and them having their own sort of creative spirit and drive, I think that’s something, you know that’s something that we really want to push, and we talk about that to them. (laughter) It’s all about conversation isn’t it, communication.
Danni:
100% (laughter) like we’re always, always talking about how we, how collaboration is the key and you know it’s something that we try and drive home don’t we (laughing). And that could be working with other artists who aren’t on the label but we like build a relationship with, you know, coming down that whole route of like artwork, visuals, music videos, you know it’s a wide world and it’s, and I guess it’s our, it’s up to us as well as label managers to drive it home as why it’s so important to collaborate. Whether that’s purely on a musical basis, remixes for instance, or working with someone who’s not necessarily within your genre. You know all these things are there to help our artists and us grow.
Ruby:
Yeah, yeah. We give them the freedom to do it because we think it gives them more freedom creatively so I suppose that’s the way we sort of approach it with them. So I think everyone on the label at the moment feels like they can to some extent create whatever they want and then we’re kind of there to put things into place really.
Dani:
Yeah to facilitate that, 100%
Ella:
Yeah you’ve brought me quite nicely to another thing I was going to talk about which is that cross-discipline kind of element to the label and how, you know, I personally have had the privilege of working with you in this capacity of like being a visual artist being brought onto a project and getting involved with you know making album art which then developed into making a music video quite naturally because of the conversation that we had and you know all that sort of stuff and you were definitely fantastic facilitators in that sense in that we probably wouldn’t have been brough together otherwise. And yeah, why is that sort of cross-discipline approach so important to you both?
Ruby:
A few reasons I think, you know, with regard to, you know, when we were working with yourself it’s very, I think it could be very easy to just hire a designer or hire and artist and say hey look we need some artwork for this or whatever, but I think having that sort of conversation between a visual artist and a musician just creates so much more scope, like you said it led to other things like creating a music video. And it just makes it a lot more creatively rich and it closes up that gap you know, the divide between the sort of contemporary art world and the music industry which I’ve always felt is you know still very much there and I’ve always tried to champion closing that gap because I work in both, it can sometimes feel yeah very sort of stretched. (laughing)
Danni:
And, you know, we want, we want people to care about the projects that they’re working on, not just see it as like this is just a good opportunity I’m just going to do it. You know we’ve always said that whoever we pair up together we want them to not only, you know, we want that first piece of work to be the start of that relationship you know?
Ruby:
Yeah, yeah.
Danni:
You know, not just like one and done.
Ruby:
Yeah yeah, which I think it has. You know in a few of the things we’ve done this year. I think one of our artists IORA has been working with Babs Smith, an artist working in Salford and Manchester and you kind they just kind of started coming up with these like audio visual ideas together and it’s kind of, it’s started to grow now and they’ve kind of worked together a lot and that’s what we really wanted to happen. I think that’s the thing that’s going to close up that gap you know, and musicians always take so much inspiration from art and vice versa and it just seems, it sort of seems silly to me why aren’t we all working together more.
Ella:
Yeah completely and I think most creatives dabble across disciplines anyway themselves like I think it’s quite interesting what you were saying about feeling stretched cause I feel like for me I often feel like I have to put different hats on depending on like what I’m doing whereas really like my practices are all just me I mean they all come from the same place and they all talk about the same things I’m just using different mediums or like it’s music, it’s writing, it’s visual art but for some reason I have to like put on my illustrator hat when I’m like applying for an illustration thing or do you know what I mean and completely change the language that I’m using and the way I’m describing myself and my relevant experience and all that sort of stuff when really I’m quite multi-faceted in the way that I work and these things all leak into each other so it makes complete sense that as a label you wouldn’t just stick to music because most musicians themselves aren’t really purely just musicians.
Ruby:
And it should be something that’s celebrated more instead of hidden you know like you’re saying when you feel like you have to put a different hat on (laughing) I did that for years and then like I think because we both always worked within and across different kind of industries I think you get to a point where you’re like do you know what, like you say this is me and this is what I do and then people start to accept it a little bit more because it’s authentic and it’s genuine. You’re just more of a creative vessel rather than worrying about where you fit.
Danni:
Exactly, what box they can put you in.
Ella:
Deffo, and it’s something we’ve definitely experienced as like I guess an organisation as Where are the Girlbands in a sense of, it’s almost impossible to have even conversations about the music scene because the music scene doesn’t just comprise of musicians either, like so many people are involved, like producers, people doing sound, people doing stage design, visual artists, like there’s such a wide variety of people involved who are such an important part of that conversation that to close a door is just pretending almost because those people are always involved so it makes complete sense to me that you have such a cross-discipline approach and it’s definitely really refreshing to see and the way you actively encourage that is so nice too. I guess you not only give people freedom but give people encouragement and you know provide a space where it’s not only acceptable but actively encouraged which is a really lovely thing. And yeah, it just all seems like really positive all of the stuff that you’re doing, it definitely feels you know for me from my experience that you’re definitely coming from a very supportive experience, like you’re almost mentoring to an extent in the way that you facilitate people to collaborate and that sort of thing.
Ruby:
Yeah I mean we want everyone to do well (laughing).
Danni:
Yeah that’s what I mean. We want everyone to do well at the end of the day.
Ruby:
Yeah and you know some of our artists are sort of cross-discipline artists anyway so it just when you get people like ourselves who don’t fit into one box but you still want to be given those opportunities and be put into that certain arena then yeah there needs to be that space to do that I think that was a large part of our thinking.
Danni:
Yeah it’s key.
Ella:
It’s just great how like across all the boards you’re like focussed on not putting anyone in a box and making sure people can do what they want like across literally everything and that’s so fantastic to see. And I love to hear maybe some things for you that are exciting like for you and maybe some things that have been unexpected in how things have come together with the label.
Ruby:
Oooo I dunno. We’re still in year one aren’t we!
Danni:
Yeah that’s what I mean! But yeah like for me like my part one of the best, one of the big big triumphs is being able to pair up our artists and other artists from like the creative industry like yourself, like even getting like, we got like Holly, the dancer involved.
Ruby:
Oh yeah, Holly Rush
Danni:
You know. That’s what I mean and you know let’s be honest in some situations not everyone who collaborates they don’t enjoy it spending time together so for me being able to get everyone to get on and create something positive at the end for it that’s like, that’s banging because you know, it may not be so (laughing) it may not be that great.
Ruby:
Yeah! Yeah!
Danni:
But at the moment everyone loves it, everyone’s enjoying working with other people and you know, it’s never, it never really feels like a hassle or like that we’re like building constantly, it just feels like you know there’s always like an end to it. And also you know we’ve had some great music played, you know we’ve had music on like Annie Nightingale’s show on 6 music, Tom Ronson’s show on 6 music, Jam Supernova on 6 music you know, BBC Introducing as well, you know so.
Ruby:
Seeing everyone doing well.
Danni:
Doing well!
Ruby:
This year, this year. Cause you know we’ve been in our first year and we kind of went in head first into the deep end kind of like we’re not just trying to do one or two things we’re trying to do about five within the label and then obviously it’s all new to us as well.
Danni:
100%
Ruby:
And you know dealing with 6 artist and all their releases and setting up the projects, collaborations, especially in covid times as well it’s all been quite challenging but then everyone has risen to it and done really well and pushed it. And like Danni was saying we’ve had lots of radio play and everyone’s smashed it so yeah it’s incredibly rewarding.
Danni:
Absolutely and this year we’re looking forward to like Ruby’s got an exhibition.
Ruby:
I do.
Danni:
In Warrington Museum. We’ve also got like Paper Gallery as well.
Ruby:
Yeah we’ve already got a few gallery exhibitions that are sort of linked to releases and projects coming up and hopefully a lot more.
Danni:
And like three, Ruby, Kaspa. and Iora they’ll be releasing like debut Eps on the label this year.
Ruby:
Yeah and not just singles this year.
Danni:
Not just singles!
Ruby:
We’ll actually be moving into the world of the EP. (laughing)
Ella:
So many things! And I guess like the thing that I wanna ask you is basically…how…like how (laughing) it’s just amazing that you’ve done all of this! How have you found the logistics of it all like getting it all set up and put together especially during like the pandemic years.
Danni:
I thought the pandemic was easier.
Ruby:
Yeah! Yeah.
Danni:
Because we weren’t gigging ourselves so all we were doing was like putting out music on like Modern Sky and Rough Trade so that was nice and like we were all kind of like in one place and like talking whereas now it’s one of those where we’ve had to like, when we’ve been making our own music for like Dirty Freud we had to go to like Preston, we had to do like our own performance in like the Harris Museum, you know.
Ruby:
Yeah we suddenly got all of our own things open back up.
Danni:
So we’ve had to gig, we’ve had to do like…had to (laughing) we’ve been doing like Gulliver’s and things like. It’s been one of those where like as the world’s opened up we’ve had to open up as well and it just means that we’ve got to work harder.
Ruby:
Work harder (laughing)
Danni:
Exactly. Work harder and-
Ruby:
And try and rest more at the same time because otherwise-
Danni:
We’ll go mad.
Ruby:
We’ll go mad (laughing)
Ella:
Yeah I can definitely relate to that I feel like so many projects or like creative endeavours were set up during the pandemic when everyone was at home and like you said everyone felt although it was a very isolating experience there was a lot of community in that everyone was just like a zoom call away and you didn’t really have like other things to do or like other places to be. So everyone was kind of like always available in a way and so were you and even for us Eve’s back in Cambridge now and I’m going to work in an office whereas during the pandemic (*note to say the pandemic hasn’t finished, I was referencing lockdown) it was like all the time was just like available to start these things so it’s really interesting, I’d not really thought of it in that way of the challenges of having started something up in such a different environment to how it’s going to grow and progress.
Ruby:
Yeah, I think we only really thought about that at like the end of last year probably when everything sort of like.
Danni:
Yeah, yeah.
Ruby:
Because we’ve both got sort of like our own careers and then obviously I work at visual arts as well and then we’ve got our own sort of projects on and commissions and day job kind of things as well. It, yeah it suddenly felt like Oh, we’ve got to handle all of these and our own sort of of personal lives (laughing) without losing it. But it’s been kind of, it’s been quite gradual it’s not been sudden.
Danni:
A shift
Ruby:
Yeah, I think it’s just an adjustment period and being organised and like yeah taking that time to make sure you’re okay and rested as well.
Danni:
Yeah.
Ella:
Yeah. I guess like along with that has there been, I feel like learning moment’s not the right word, but any sort of things which have come up where you’ve sort of had to adapt or figure things out. I guess that is always kind of the case with new projects that you’re coming up against things that you didn’t foresee but it would be interesting to hear from you like almost like words of advice that you would give to yourselves when setting up the label.
Danni and Ruby:
Oh God. (laughing)
Danni:
I’d probably on my part, be like, firstly, you know, don’t panic, there are two of you.
Ruby:
Yeah, yeah, yeah! We always forget that.
Danni:
You know sometimes it’s like WOAH WHAT AM I GOING TO DO and then Ruby’s like I AM FREE TODAY I WILL TAKE IT! (laughing) you know, so it’s like realising that like, I’d say definitely to myself, you’re part of a team, you know, feel definitely like if things are getting a bit much just tell your partner and Ruby will take on a bit more and vice versa. That’s what I’d say to myself that you’re not in this by yourself.
Ruby:
Yeah, yeah.
Danni:
So that would be the key piece of advice, because it’s easy when you’re in it being like ahh I’ve got to do this I’ve got to do that but realising that you can like share the heavy load.
Ruby:
Yeah, share the load as it were (laughing) I would say exactly the same (laughing) Yeah I think when you’re, you just get used sometimes to you know with the burden of everything don’t you like kind of being on yourself. Even though we’ve worked together as a team for so long it’s only been within a certain arena like a more creative arena and this is a little bit more, like we’ve sort of had to adapt and learn how to actually develop it as a business and you know there’s so many sorts of elements involved but I think the best way around it that we kind of have is that we just kind of talk about it all the time, nothing kind of simmers under the surface and gets problematic so, yeah. We just sort of give it the time.
Danni:
Yeah, and just understand as well that things go wrong.
Ruby:
They do!
Danni:
Things go wrong! That like, and you just gotta suck it up, you know, things go on, it might not go right at the end but you just gotta accept that not everything can go right, you know.
Ruby:
Yeah.
Danni:
And that can be like a release as well. Like Kaspa’s you know.
Ruby:
Yeah!
Danni:
Like it wouldn’t show up on Spotify, it wouldn’t show up anywhere and we’ve got our distributer who’s like where is it and we’re like AHH!! (laughing)
Ruby:
Yeah I feel like each release has had like a learning curve hasn’t it with whatever form, whether it’s something to do with distribution or streaming or some kind of visual problem. And I think that’s been, you know, we’ve kind of gone into it chilled out and let everything sort of wash over us and sort of like see how we fair doing this thing, and we’ve almost allowed ourselves a year of learning which I think is really valuable. Because now, even the other week we sat down for that sort of first meeting getting back into the year and we kind of both come up with ideas that were like right yeah that’s how we resolve such and such that went wrong last year. It’s just about recognising things when they go wrong and not panicking.
Danni:
Yeah 100%
Ruby:
It’s easier said than done.
Danni:
Yeah exactly, easier said than done. (laughing) Yeah definitely all those types of things I’d say and yeah don’t be so hard on ourselves as well!
Ruby:
Mmmm. Yeah. We’re quite bad at that like.
Danni:
Like ah! (crying noises) I can’t do it. But it’s fine, you know, it’s we made it through like the first year, so, let’s try the next year, and we’ll just do it like that (laughing)
Ruby:
Yeah!
Danni:
Like a rolling contract (laughing)
Ruby:
One thing at a time. Always the best way (laughing)
Ella:
Yeah. I was going to ask you sort of you know the theme of this podcast in general is like Safe Spaces and organisations who sort of like make safe spaces and I feel like a lot of what you’ve said has really leant into that in terms of a safe space for yourselves as well as the people who you work with, in terms of like, so much of the answers you’ve given have been like, the creative organisational element of it but also self-care and self-preservation within that too, which is really lovely to hear that that’s so like incorporated into like every single way in that you’re thinking about the label. And yeah! I wondered if you have any other thoughts around that in terms of how you set up a space that’s safe for you in terms of like the workload you’ve got on and you know how you manage that as well as for the people you’re working with.
Ruby:
Yeah I hadn’t really thought about it like that but I suppose yeah we do. Sometimes we both don’t give ourselves a break. We’ve become more aware of it I think doing this that you know sometimes I think it was like summer and I was like I NEED A BREAK! You know, and then you just like go away for three days and sort of sort your head out and it’s about like allowing each other to have that time.
Danni:
To replenish.
Ruby:
Yeah! Yeah so we don’t burnout and taking the reins. You know like Danni was saying there’s too of us so it’s easier and I think that reflects back on to how the artists feel.
Danni:
Yeah I’d say like we talk to everyone and you know sometimes it’ll be over zoom sometimes it’ll be over a beer sometimes it’ll be a quick phone call you know and I think like I think the main reason for us being able to do that is it has happened quite organically and you know the labels that we’ve been involved in like Rough Trade they have the same sort of like ethos in that you know come in, grab a brew, let’s talk things through.
Ruby:
Family vibes.
Danni:
Exactly. Family vibes, like a real community vibe, instead of it being like, you know, really heavy and it’s just like you’ve missed this deadline, we’re going to have to look at your position on the label. Things like that. That’s not good for anyone, no. (laughing) I don’t wanna be that person and people don’t wanna be on the other end of it so.
Ruby:
There’s no need. There’s no need! No need when you can be kind.
Danni:
Exactly, so yeah like I’d say like our door’s always open, we’re pretty easy going and I think that’s a part of it you know. Ask us that in five years’ time you know (laughing) when things are going wrong (laughing) maybe this wil be a totally different conversation. (laughing)
Ruby:
Yeah, it was hard line (laughing)
Danni:
Exactly. But at the moment things are pretty chill and we’re all, we’re all after the same goal. Good music, creativity, and you know getting more like visibility for our artists and the label you know.
Ella:
Yeah it’s sounds like, and from what I’ve sort of experienced, a lot of communication and also I feel like something that’s different with you to other sort of institutions maybe is exactly what you’re saying about like a community feel in that it doesn’t feel so much like a hierarchy or that you’re taking on a position of power, you’re more just there as someone who is facilitating people and someone who can provide that communication and the space and the resources rather than someone who’s got control, if that make sense.
Danni:
Yeah.
Ruby:
Definitely! I mean like, you know some of the artists on the label they sort of help us in way. There’s very much, like we’re saying, a family community feel where it’s like how can we help each other or support each other rather than people being sort of you know, we don’t want anyone kind of falling out or feeling like they have to steal the limelight (laughing) You know that kind of thing. And I think because I release music on the label as well as managing it too that kind of sort of evens out that gap as well because I’m sort of in the same position as the artists some of the time and then you know helping them with other things the rest of the time. So it’s…yeah…I think that allows it to be quite equal.
Danni:
Definitely and there’s a lot of skill, like Ruby was saying there’s a lot of skill-sharing like I play keys in Iora’s band, you know.
Ruby:
Yeah you do!
Danni:
So it’s one of those where you know we realise that to get us all to that level we’ve all got to muck in (laughing) we’ve all got to muck in.
Ruby:
Yeah you’ve all got to help out!
Danni:
You can’t just be like oh well, that’s beneath me (laughing)
Ruby:
Yeah no one is above anyone, well, no one should be above anyone anyway I believe but in our label especially that’s no the way.
Danni:
That’s not the way.
Ruby:
It’s not.
Danni:
Exactly, it’s not the way at all (laughing) So yeah everyone gives each other like a helping hand like mixing and mastering and that kind of stuff too. So it’s just kind of like, you know, the amount of time’s Ruby’s had to like muck in the artwork and it’s like “I WILL CREATE FOR ALL OF YOU” (laughing)
Ruby:
Yeah! Yeah. Sometimes it’s emergency artwork (laughing)
Danni:
So as long as we can all keep that going, but you know, that’s what I mean, at the moment everything’s pretty fresh, pretty great so there’s a lot of optimism I guess (laughing)
Ruby:
Yeah
Ella:
It’s lovely and I guess the artist led nature of it is nice as well in that not only are you actively involved in other people’s projects and that there’s a lack of hierarchy but also that you have shared experiences with the people who you’re working with and like you said you’ve got your own experiences as artists working with labels and you understand even just what it’s like to be underrepresented as a musician and the challenges that come with that and so you’re able to create inherently a safe space for the artists you work with because they know that you understand and you’re coming from a position of understanding rather than you know just trying to get them to produce like for productions sake.
Danni and Ruby:
(Laughing) yeah yeah exactly, definitely.
Ella:
It’s amazing. I guess to round-up, you’ve already spoken a bit about the exciting stuff that you’ve got coming up, but for you two personally what are some things you’re really looking forward to with this next year with the label.
Ruby:
I’ve got quite a busy year (laughing) so my, I’ve got my first release, single and EP out on February the 11thand the 25th.
Danni:
I always forget that. So Ruby did not even release last year (laughing)
Ruby:
I didn’t release last year! (laughing) I was just waiting in the wings. Yeah so I’ve got that coming up so it’s sort of like the release of my solo material really and then I’ve got two solo exhibitions at Warrington Gallery and Paper Gallery and some other performances and things which some of them we can’t talk about yet (laughing) so yeah it’s quite an, quite an exciting busy year for me like personally. And obviously all that stuff is involved with the label as well. Which is great. And then we’ve got obviously Dirty Freud as well.
Danni:
We’ve got all that stuff coming up. But yeah like label wise I’m really excited about like really getting my hands into the role of like A&R-ing, like managing some of the artists as well to really help like break down those barriers, bust down those doors and yeah, just really really get like the music out there you know with our distributor, make sure we can really facilitate as well those relationships and build those relationships. I’d say those are the things the key parts where I really wanna focus on. Yeah.
Ella:
Fantastic stuff! Well I will look forward to seeing all of that manifest and thank you very much for chatting with me today it’s been so lovely.
Danni and Ruby:
Thanks for having us! Yeah thank you!
Our song of the week is a fantastic artists represented by No Such Thing records. Szou is a musician who takes pop into new and exciting places, from the COVID crisis to nightclub hedonism, Szou uses insightful lyrics, euphoric production, energetic beats and soulful vocals to create electro-pop like no other. The song we have selected is ‘Shadows’. This song feels like fuzzy strobe lights on warm summer nights and reflective moments on the journey between bars. Not only is this song amazingly catchy, it somehow manages to be both a feel good anthem and a melancholy confession as Szou sings of greener grass and lurking shadows that follow you around to a summery soundtrack. You can imagine dancing around a bedroom or a bar to this track, that feeling of losing yourself in a song, feeling those shadows that follow you around loosen their grip as you sink into sound, a euphoria in the midst of pouring rain.
Play: Szou - Shadows
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